The World Court has ordered Texas not to execute murderous Mexican nationals. So what was the World Court’s determination? That Texans needed a good laugh?
A lot of those Mexicans came here illegally hoping to be treated like citizens. I guess they got their wish.
Maybe the World Court should send the World Sheriff down to Texas to take those prisoners away.
My condolences to his widow.
The International Court of Justice (ICJ) is the principal judicial organ of the United Nations (UN).
The Court’s role is to settle, in accordance with international law, legal disputes submitted to it by States and to give advisory opinions on legal questions referred to it by authorized United Nations organs and specialized agencies.
The Court is composed of 15 judges, who are elected for terms of office of nine years by the United Nations General Assembly and the Security Council.
You need a category for “Awesome”, so you can file this under it.
Perhaps the “principal judicial organ” of the UN should be less concerned about how we deal with murderers and more concerned about how their “peacekeepers” use their “organs” to rape children under their “protection”.
Well, let’s see. The world court located in the Hague. They like undocumented folks there. We should extradite said prisoners to the Hague where they will get civilized treatment.
Wow, we could send all of our undocumented aliens there. This is the perfect answer. We get rid of the criminals, the Europeans can feel all superior. Win-win.
#5 – good solution. But it would deprive Texans of a good laugh, don’t you think? (They’re certainly not getting any from George these days.)
In other news, I’ve been gone for a month out on the Pacific Ocean and I’m here to tell you that the world looks crazy through an isolated, Internet window 5 minutes/day.
Some things never change, though. Like this place.
Glad you back my friend. You were missed.
Actually, the ICJ requested to be notified of all attempts to halt the execution. Uh, Supreme Court ruled, and Jose Medellin lost. There you go. Will let you know more on August 5th.
There are two punchlines in that story, I’m not sure which on is funnier.
“It does not have technical legal effect in the United States that would … have a direct impact either on the United States or on Texas itself,” he said.
Gee, ya think?
And my favorite, from the “I’m Impotent… errr… Important” files
“Texas does take this all very seriously.”
Ummmm yeah, I’ll bet they do. It reminds me of the scene from Major League when Dorn shows his contract to the coach with the almost Bolton-esque ‘stache and the coach takes a whiz on it.
I wonder if they’ll bring their “UN Mandate” papers to Texas so we can reprise that scene.
OK… I live in Texas and, since we are a border state, there are some things that need to be considered. If these guys were not given fair access to a consulate that is wrong. They should have been given access. If they were, and they were fairly tried, then shoot ’em.
Where the border state citizen comes into play is if someone from the US gets arrested down there, execution of one of their nationals could lead to a tit-for-tat exchange where we don’t get access to our consulate, yada-yada-yada, death (or worse) in a Mexican prison.
If things were done by the book and they were found guilty under Texas law then they will suffer Texas punishment. Shoot ’em.
When convicted criminals are executed, there are always witnesses present to assure that all procedures are followed to the letter. I’d love to be one of them. “REMEMBER THE ALAMO!!!” just as the switch is flipped.
I wouldn’t trust Mexican justice, regardless of whatever consular access these murderers had. They’re too corrupt to ever be just.
That said, just because we play fair does not mean that anyone else will. That philosphy assumes that only our actions apparently matter and no other country is assumed to have any inherent decency or rule of law, just mindless aping of whatever they consider to the worst behavior of the US. “Hey, you want to see your consul? Tough! I heard that there was this guy in Texas who didn’t get to see the Mexican consul, so suck it.” Which may be true, but I can’t see how our actions affect it one way or another.
Pffft. Like we give a flying crap. But if we can’t make the courts execute them, then we’ll just organize some lynching parties, and that’ll be the end of it.
Pffft. Like we give a flying crap. But if we can’t make the courts execute them, then we’ll just organize some lynching parties, and that’ll be the end of it.
I’m sorry. As soon as they crossed our boarder illegally they became criminals. They then murdered people. I don’t think their consulate has any reason to be involved.
Maybe Mexican authorities ought to keep their criminals on their side of the boarder, then they would be able to do as they like.
Oh and for those who say this will have a chilling effect for Americans overseas, they already hate us. At least average American tourists and business people aren’t in other countries illegally. That, right there should assure contact with the consulate.
Well, we could make a deal:
We’ll stop executing people if they stop murdering, raping, pillaging, etc…
That sounds fair to me.
Where the border state citizen comes into play is if someone from the US gets arrested down there, execution of one of their nationals could lead to a tit-for-tat exchange where we don’t get access to our consulate, yada-yada-yada, death (or worse) in a Mexican prison.
Ah, the tit-for-tat meme… I’ve heard this a few times from people claiming to be European. My response stays the same, if a Texan crosses the border, gang rapes two girls, beat them to near unconscious, and then strangled them to death, then I don’t care if that piece of crap is properly handled by Mexican authorities. Keep in mind, this isn’t alleged stuff. Jose Medellin confessed to the crime. We know of the details because of him.
If things were done by the book and they were found guilty under Texas law then they will suffer Texas punishment. Shoot ’em.
Fortunately, Texas is more civilized than your example. Jose Medellin was tried as a US citizen. He provided no evidence of his citizenship at trial. It was only afterwards the issue came up, when it became an argument for appeal. Indeed the ICJ rejected Mexico’s argument about consular rights. The ICJ ruling simply insisted that proper judicial review occur. Indeed the US did this. Jose Medellin’s case was reviewed through all the appropriate Texas court of appeals. Then his case was reviewed by federal courts. Both the Texas and US Supreme Courts weighed in, and determined that the jury properly determined the facts of the case in a fair trial. Now 15 years after the trial and many reviews, we will not just “shoot ’em”.
Now please, take your whiny concerns about tit-for-tat elsewhere. If you really believe this, I suggest you buy a gun to protect yourself on the Texas side of the border. If you really really believe this, I suspect you might have a great concern about the ethics of the Mexican authorities in border towns, and I think that’s a reasonable concern. Perhaps you ought to reconsider crossing the border.
Otherwise, get your fact straight. Here’s the first ICJ review to get started: http://www.icj-cij.org/docket/files/128/8188.pdf
We’ll need a good pilot for this. (Maybe one of those NASA pilots who fly zero-G parabolas in the plane they call ‘the vomit comet’).
Announce that we’re sending the murderers back to Mexico.
Take them up to 10,000 ft.
A mile or so before they cross the border, the plane makes a sharp, climbing turn and the SOBs get pushed out.
Their foreward momentum should carry them over the border before they land.
Once they cross the border they’re no longer our problem.
I don’t know, there’s just something so satisfying about imagining their fading screams…
That doesn’t make me a bad person, does it?
Disturbed, frightening, scary ………yes.
Bad no.
#18 “4 of 7”. I like your creative thinking, but we have already flushed too much time and cash down the toilet on that waste of protoplasm. Ropes are environmentally friendly, and can be used over and over.
“A lot of those Mexicans came here illegally hoping to be treated like citizens. I guess they got their wish.” Priceless.